daredevil muffin-y genius ([info]monanotlisa) wrote,
@ 2008-05-22 14:32:00
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Made arrangements yesterday that may pay out in the long run. We'll see. /cryptic

  • Am still in the process of creating icons but must already feature the one of Camille "Cam" Saroyan of Bones, whom I fell in love with when she confessed that late at night, coming home and wishing to read some fiction, she doesn't go for the crime but reads romance novels purely for the sex. Y'all, she'd totally read fanfic, het and/or slash! ♥

    ...yes, I continue to adore Bones so. Very. Much.
  • [info]the_grynne gives us several links about food, as it's apparently World Vegetarian Week. I'm not a vegetarian, but I eat fairly little meat, less than twice a week, and that in turn allows me to go for higher-quality meat even on a tight budget.

    Like most people, I'm convinced my way is the best possible way* -- for economical as well as ecological reasons. Still, in light of the fanaticism surrounding our perspectives on food (from "I need my daily steak, and toss those greens back to the bunnies where they belong!" to "Vegans are healthiest, happiest, and save the world too!"), I think information matters, and that doesn't only include facts & figures but also some reading up on opinions not my own.

    * Oh, like you don't.

    And let's just say the comment thread of 10 Reasons You Should Become A Vegetarian has lots of those. Opinions, I mean, not facts & figures. *eg*

    Part of the reason I make fun of both extremes is simply the fact that these are extremes; I'm a middle-of-the-road kinda gal (and it just so happens that the templates for certain roads in our culture are severely skewed).

    Even some of these "reasons" in the main post are mainly propaganda appealing to emotions. I scoff at that -- the propaganda, not the emotions (I have them, I swear). First, the claim that "[v]egetarianism is also the ultimate weight-loss diet, since vegetarians are one-third as likely to be obese as meat-eaters" is a prime example of un-scientific indoctrination: Vegetarians are by definition people who have chosen to focus on food, to alter and control their diets and ultimately their life. That these are also people more likely to consider healthy eating based on nutritional value comes with the territory. Then, while I agree with the sentiment behind that "reason," I'd totally eat dog or cat provided it was nutritionally sound and tasted good. The problematic question I'd then ask would the same as for the cow or deer I fancy: Did the animal live and die in a halfway humane manner, with sustainability and global responsibility in mind?

    Diana said the following in a comment that I can copy word-by-word with only one part redacted:
    I believe in diverse, balanced eating, and a small amount of animal produce is a part of that. I agree with a lot of the beliefs behind the slow food movement. I think fast food is a rip off [...]. I'm angry that so many family life and eating habits have become such that so many young people in particular don't know how to enjoy good food, and can't connect what they eat with the fact that it was a living animal.
    I have more Thoughts for Food, and that long-promised post will come, but this can be seen as a bit of an introduction.
  • In more practical news, I made apple pancakes off a Chefkoch recipe, only with 100% whole-grain spelt flour and cane sugar. Tasty, but very filling. ::is full but still has one sans-apple pancake left for later::


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[info]the_grynne
2008-05-22 01:20 pm UTC (link)
I'm a middle-of-the-road kinda gal

Me too!

At home I eat one Chinese meal a day and it'll usually include one dish with some meat in it: liver with onions, half a quail or a few prawns each, or some mince tossed with stir-fried vegetables, etc. Meat is the flavouring, never the raison d'etre. And of course, being Chinese and eating Chinese, I think we should embrace the offal rather than let it go to waste (or toward feeding chickens! of all things).

I've also eaten cat, although it was years ago, and I don't remember the experience well enough to comment on whether it was tasty. :)

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[info]monanotlisa
2008-05-22 01:33 pm UTC (link)
At home I eat one Chinese meal a day and it'll usually include one dish with some meat in it: liver with onions, half a quail or a few prawns each, or some mince tossed with stir-fried vegetables, etc. Meat is the flavouring, never the raison d'etre.

Exactly! It's not that it's not tasty; good Lord, I love proteins -- beef carpaccio, sashimi, venison steaks.... But still, not advisable to eat too much of it, no matter what the source.

And mmh, those are some tasty Chinese meals there. I could do with some liver plus onions again; unfortunately, quail isn't easy to come by here (well, no, metropolis: easy, yes, expensive, even more YES).

And of course, being Chinese and eating Chinese, I think we should embrace the offal rather than let it go to waste (or toward feeding chickens! of all things).

Ack. Did we learn nothing from the BSE crisis?

I've also eaten cat, although it was years ago, and I don't remember the experience well enough to comment on whether it was tasty. :)

Too bad. *ggg*

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[info]wee_warrior
2008-05-22 01:52 pm UTC (link)
First, the claim that "[v]egetarianism is also the ultimate weight-loss diet, since vegetarians are one-third as likely to be obese as meat-eaters" is a prime example of un-scientific indoctrination: Vegetarians are by definition people who have chosen to focus on food, to alter and control their diets and ultimately their life. That these are also people more likely to consider healthy eating based on nutritional value comes with the territory.

Or they are people who spend their early twenties living of veggie pizza and Asian ready-made noodle soups. Not that I know anyone who did that.

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[info]monanotlisa
2008-05-22 02:00 pm UTC (link)
Or they are people who spend their early twenties living of veggie pizza and Asian ready-made noodle soups. Not that I know anyone who did that.

Heh. 'course not!

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[info]twistedchick
2008-05-22 02:30 pm UTC (link)
[info]eretria's link is flocked.

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[info]monanotlisa
2008-05-22 02:38 pm UTC (link)
Oops, sorry -- I didn't see that. ::re-posts link itself::

Edited at 2008-05-22 02:39 pm UTC

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[info]emeraldsword
2008-05-22 02:57 pm UTC (link)
I agree with your food position. I am concerned with the ethics of what I eat, and I think the important issue is that all the food you eat has been produced in a humane and sustainable way, not whether or not it was once alive. (For me, sustainability is becoming one of my biggest concerns. I mean, if we run out of oil we're going to run out of DVDs!)

One of the most obese people I know is vegetarian - she just doesn't like vegetables and so eats pizza all the time.

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[info]monanotlisa
2008-05-22 03:45 pm UTC (link)
I think the important issue is that all the food you eat has been produced in a humane and sustainable way, not whether or not it was once alive.

'xactly.

One of the most obese people I know is vegetarian - she just doesn't like vegetables and so eats pizza all the time.

Yeah. In the threads, some people comment upon that sort of experience, and while I don't put much faith in personal anecdotes -- no offence meant! & :-) -- it does prove that a specifically limited diet by itself doesn't guarantee, how did the author of the 10 Reasons say, "fitting Into That Itty-Bitty Bikini."

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[info]emeraldsword
2008-05-22 03:55 pm UTC (link)
I don't put much faith in personal anecdotes either (my mother has a friend who is practically vegan and even she admits that she's underweight - she's so obsessed with eating healthy food that she barely eats at all. All food scares [raw eggs etc] make her remove that thing permanently from her diet) but it is interesting to share them, I think, because it makes me remember that there are always exceptions to everything and everyone approaches things differently. Ideally, I'd have the actual science, then informed opinion, and then anecdote (especially if the person can name someone - this one is close to me as in 'someone I know' not 'a friend of someone I know' so it's not so bad. Otherwise it becomes 'my sister met someone on a bus who talked to someone on a train once, and that person said....' which is completely useless, though sometimes amusing).

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[info]monanotlisa
2008-05-22 04:11 pm UTC (link)
Nah, I didn't think you would -- those people responding to the 10 Reasons seem to be another matter, alas. & ;-)

I like your approach of science, informed opinion, and some anecdotes in the end; they may put some meat on the bare bones, and see, still (again?) on-topic!

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[info]astridv
2008-05-22 05:35 pm UTC (link)
Chefkoch.de is a major sponsor of our Dinner-with-Buffy. :)

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[info]monanotlisa
2008-05-22 06:22 pm UTC (link)
Heh. I like 'em -- the ratings system especially helps. Mostly, of course, the sheer amount. *g*

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[info]femmenerd
2008-05-23 02:40 am UTC (link)
I love Bones also! (Though I hardly ever talk about it.)

This is just an excuse for me to pop in and say hi, really. :)

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[info]monanotlisa
2008-05-23 09:05 am UTC (link)
Hi baby! *wave*

Did you read the Bones Appreciation Post too? I know you're so pressed for time (on lj) right now, so it's great to see you around?

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[info]femmenerd
2008-05-29 02:52 am UTC (link)
I just looked at it now and I couldn't agree more!

[Two and half weeks, two and half weeks until school is over. omg]

BTW, I've been meaning to ask you to tell me about the "genderswitch situation" in SGA.

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